Those particular passages-Titus, Timothy, and Corinthians-have hundreds, literally hundreds, of interpretations. Now we’re talking about difference of interpretation. Everybody in the SBC believes in the inerrancy of Scripture. I grew up with the phrase, “We have no creed but Christ we have no book but the Bible.” This is not a battle between liberals and conservatives. Rick: Well, in the first place, Southern Baptists have always been anticredal. Russell: Some of them would probably say the confession of faith says that the office of pastor to be held by men qualified by Scripture. In other words, they clearly think, We have a say in your church over staff titles, but it was a misnomer to say, “We can’t do anything-we’re not responsible for this abuse that’s going on because they’re all independent autonomous churches.” Nonsense. It’s not an accident that the same voices that said, “We cannot protect women from abuse because of the autonomy of the local church” are the same voices that are saying, “But we can prevent them from being called pastors in the autonomy of the local church.” So, the autonomy only matters if it’s convenient for you.
Just because I would think-with all of the crises involving the treatment of women and sexual abuse within the SBC-that saying a church is giving women too much is really not the problem in the SBC … It’s a different Convention than it was when we’re missing those great statesmen that used to be here…. in 1980 when I started the church, we didn’t put Baptist in the name-now that was unheard of 40 years ago. But you know what? We’ve done so many things not by the book. My great-great-grandfather was led to Christ by Charles Spurgeon and sent to America to plant churches in the 1860s. I started Saddleback Church 43 years ago-I am a fourth-generation Southern Baptist, and my grandfather Chester Armstrong was related to Annie Armstrong … Rick: I’m ready here to join in the former Southern Baptist support group with Beth Moore, with Russell Moore, and a few others. The following excerpt is adapted from the original audio, which can be listened to here. They discussed his pastoral transition and plans for the future, as well as the disfellowshipping of Saddleback Church from the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) for hiring a female teaching pastor on its staff.Īs the planter and former pastor of the well-known congregation, Warren shared how his views on women in church leadership changed when he re-examined certain scriptures like the Great Commission. Last week, Russell Moore interviewed the recently retired pastor Rick Warren-author of The Purpose Driven Life-on his show.
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